I'm sure this came about from 'leet' pvpers whining about not having enough targets that won't/can't fight back.

W-space has no local. This is it's inherent danger. Don't punish players for being efficient at game mechanics such as scanning down signatures quickly and keeping d-scan up. Stop rewarding whiny pvpers who only have the balls to attack soft targets with easier and easier mechanics.

If a w-space corp is lazy then they will be punished appropriately by losing many many assets.

If you want to fight go to low or nullsec you pussies. Or just live with the perfectly fine scanning mechanics as is. You will find all the pvp you want... Problem is, you are AFRAID. You are the REAL carebears of Eve.

Not to whinge too much, since I have no opinion on the point of discussion, but...

This thread really ought to be in Features and Ideas. You guys have been putting all the "discussion of the future" threads there and that's where everyone goes now. I know it makes some sense to put it here because of the topic, but if that's the logic being used, why isn't the logic applied in the other subforums? Had this thread not been posted to EN24, I would never have known it existed. It's very confusing when you guys use inconsistent methodologies.

/Whine concluded

Maybe we can have some kind of WH cyno..

The way wormholes work right now is fair for the people who are on the ball and pay attention. It's fine, it's been fine in the past and people should learn to adept to small changes. I had no problems adjusting to the changes when they introduced the Overlay.

That is simply not true. If anything the majority of people who actually live in w-space seem to agree that without probes, there should be a delay for K162s to show up.

This is amazing logic. Holy crap lets take a moment to appreciate this.

You are Verge of Collapse amongst the most well known pvp entities in wormholes. You claim that you risk that some fleet you gank might just have enough people logged off waiting for you to jump them without the slightest hint or warning it would happen to you? Maybe I have spent too much time sizing up my enemy but every time I jump into a wormhole and see hostiles, I check their corp/alliance their killboard, and some limited history before making decisions.

Are you telling me that one of the most well known and bigger pvp groups in w-space doesn't do some active intel gathering of someone they might potentially gank before trying to kill them?
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=57587

Let me guess that BR was a surprise oh we risked a lot to get a few kills we didn't know what they would log on?

Smell that? Yep its bull ****. Oh surprise coming from you.

You can have a full amount of intel gathered before you start a fight regardless of log off traps. If you choose not to gather intelligence its your own fault you lose ships. Don't come at me with your weak arguments. What is ridiculous is that ccp is even considering giving any entity any sort of intel advantage from active intel gathering sources just so you can have your gank and call it f pvp. Take your whiny elitist bull**** and shove it straight where the sun don' t shine.

PVE players have adapted as you claim and you get less ganks or pvp because they adapted. So then pvpers make the cry that a mechanic is hampering their chosen play style. Why is it you wish for the PVE players to adapt but the pvpers just get mechanics changed and the game rebalanced?

It wasnt our op you ******* spastic, we had an exit near by and nut invited us along for some cap km's

Stuff and things

I'm surprised everyone wants that annoying having to probe every second trick. how about something to give people a good reason to flow through WH space and not just live there. something like an ESS for WH space. doesn't have to be about rats could be about moon goo for example. add some new content don't nerf something that is working fine.

Show me your history of losses of PVE ships in W-Space! according to the info i can find your total PVE losses in W-Space amounts to 1 noctice. Now please tell me how long you have been in W-Space and how much ISK you have made here, confirm this information then resubmit your premise that W-Space is risky enough.

In fact i make that challenge to every PVE entity that has voiced an opinion in this thread, how often do you indeed loose ships to ganks in sites! remove all losses where you get caught on WH's running away. Purely your looses with sleepers on the kill mail, iv lived in W-Space from almost day 1 and i have never lost a ship inside a site to a gank not once.

the ease with which players can now observe new wormhole signatures appearing

actively hunting for pvp in wormholes should present more targets

very good opportunity to shake up wormhole life and further encourage the best parts of the wormhole experience.